Friday, December 27, 2024

K paper A

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It is important to understand that there is no need for a robot to
make decisions based on inner feelings, or perceptions of pleasure or
pain. A logic circuit linked to scanners, no matter the hierarchical
complexity of "if-then's,"  can be designed to scan an animate or
inanimate object and respond to the data by approaching, freezing,
withdrawing or "fighting" (acting to try to neutralize the object)
with no corollary requirements of pleasure, pain, desire, fear,
fighting rage or any such conscious or semiconscious qualia.

There seems to be no method of designing a logic circuit from which
consciousness emerges -- since no logic control system needs to be
aware of its inner feelings.

One can easily imagine a robot that is programed to scan for and seek
a recharge source,

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to fight barriers put up against it, including other robots (or
humans) vying for access. And to withdraw when risk of critical damage
is too high.

No consciousness needed.
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On sexuality and consciousness.

Even tho binary sexuality comes with high complexity, the previous
argument against a need for consciousness applies.

If we take physics to require a largely deterministic modeling of
nature, then the physical model rests on an if-then structure
(physicists know that that model isn't quite right because of quantum
indeterminacy; biologists in general seem to wave off the
indeterminacy issue). We see from the DNA model of reproduction that
the whole sexual process with a logic circuit model. Yes, the model is
fabulously complex, but nevertheless if we are sticking with the laws
of physics as we know them, a logic circuit model lies at the core.

Now it may be that DNA is in (yet another) Goldilocks zone in which
DNA is perpetually vectored toward replicating its own form (more or
less) and has generated giant phenotypes in order to increase odds of
"immortality." Yet, even if that line of reasoning is acceptable, from
a "logic circuit perspective," that would have nothing to do with the
conscious and semiconscious maneuvers toward sexual union.

There is no bona fide physical link between the physical-biological
theory and conscious sexual strivings. That doesn't mean there is no
link. It means that current physics cannot, in principle, supply the
link.

If a human can be modeled by a logic circuit, then there is no need
for human consciousness. Well it seems that humans need consciousness.
But do they, from a physical standpoint? Let us say that you are a
conscious reader. Yet an android could read this paper and assimilate
it with no need of consciousness. In fact an android could simulate
all human behavior and mannerisms -- including such activities as
wooing others -- without being conscious, tho you could well interact
with it as if it is conscious, as do many people when interacting with
chatbots.

[See matter on philosophical zombies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie]

I am not interested in whether philosophical zombies (the behavioral
kind) are possible. My point is that when only the known laws of
physics are the basis of our model, we end up with a philosophical
zombie. Consciousness simply does not emerge from a logic circuit, no
matter how sophisticated.

K paper F

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At one time the analogy was circulating in computer science that the brain is to the mind as the computer hardware is to the software. This analogy still has implicit attraction for many, tho these days the idea is couched in more respectable academic language.

But, we can safely say that the parallel is false. First of all, there is no fundamental difference between hardware and software. What we have is a hardware system designed to be "universal,' or a general system that can be modified into following specific routines. A software program selects and orders a subset of pre-existent logic gates.

A universal Turing "machine" converts to a specific TM calculation
under the concept that, conceptually, it is possible to choose one computation from the set of all computations. Or, the universal machine uses the standard description (which reduces to an integer) as an input value, and then yields a computation that a separate TM with the same number would yield.

How would one derive consciousness or qualia from Turing's 1936 paper? Yet any known AI system is directly (if only conceptually) convertible into a Turing program. There is no magic added -- that physics knows of -- whereby electronic circuitry implies consciousness. Atheist Turing tried to address this issue with his 1938-9 paper on oracles. He, of course, realized there are one or two things human minds do that computation could never achieve. He proposed a physical solution that limited the scale of the non-standard "objects" that would, he held, correct the undecidability problem. But, it turns out that his physical oracles are not even conceptually possible on account of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and quantum limits more generally (in that time period, he would not have been expected to know anything much about quantum theory).

Anyone who doubts my case should perhaps re-examine his position, based on the fact that any consistent logic circuit (recognizing that programers sometimes devise inconsistent ones that result in "bugs") can be represented thru use of a single logic gate, such as NAND ("not and").

Consider [A --> B] <--> [~A v B.] <--> [~(A.~B)]

where the dot represents "and."

By this, we see that a logic circuit may be represented as a logical product, with the input values equivalent to an axiom set.

n_Π_(i = 1) =  ~(x.~y)_i

The output value is then reached at step n.

A basic hierarchical structure is implicit in the essential recursion present. Other hierarchical structures can be found by, say,

m_Π_(j = a) =  ~(x.~y)_j where m<n

Further, of course, we can have more than two consecutive subsets of products, obtaining any level of "complexity."

So for any step 1 to step 2, no qualia are implied. And that holds for any step m to step m+1. But to reach a hierarchical subset, one first has to proceed one step at a time. Hence, no clearcut implication of qualia.

As most of us agree that the consciousness or qualia that constitute it, are human realities, we are again forced to the conclusion that any physics of consciousness is well beyond current conceptions of physical law. After all at present the scientific method assumes deterministic logic, or largely deterministic logic. (The issue of tautology v. contingency is a side issue which is not relevant here.)

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It seems quite reasonable to view a theory of physics as a coherent means of description that makes, or attempts to make, accurate predictions. A number of assumptions (whether construed as empirical or not) are, in terms of the theory, axioms or postulates. (Witness Newton and Einstein, for example.)

We see immediately that we have a logical structure underneath the theory, as in:

"If A and B occur close together in time, then C must follow," conceding that each letter can itself represent more than one letter. So we have ~(A.~B) --> C
or ~[(~A.B).C]

We are then free to use the product notation above whereby, interestingly, we have proved that a physical theory is equivalent to a logic circuit, or Turing machine. In fact, all logic circuits, or Turing machines, are the same except for the input value(s). Any consistent physical theory is the same as any other, except for the input values. (This is why Goedel's inconsistency proof focused only on the (conceptual) axioms of number theory.)

We recognize that for a rigorous proof of a scientific claim, we simply use the Deduction Theorem (reverse the progression of the logical product), while accepting that the deduction theorem cannot be used for a set of undecidable physical problems, as we know full well that no modern physical theory can do without number theory (answer to Hilbert question No. 6).

Again we repeat: Any modern theory of physics can be modeled as a logical product, which in turn can be used to represent any logic circuit (or Turing machine). Hence, any purely physical theory of brain functions must be representable as a logic circuit. The many sensory detectors are to be represented as an axiom set, whereby one decision can follow a specific axiom subset.

A train of axiomatic signals "close" in time (a low number of time steps apart). In turn this next-stage decision node may have a time lag, such that other axiom signals hit another next-stage node. These nodes can then be sufficient for a decision. Sometimes a node receives a stream of signals. The stream can be sampled upstream from the decision node and periodically fed back to the decision node as one of the criteria used in the decision-making function.

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMd2CPiHdp5xcC9WvnKYjXFtnMEwAt7Kt-o7zsD

photo of exponential graph

The above picture gives a snapshot at an instant of time, rather than the representing the full process. Nevertheless, it shows the simplicity underlying ALL strictly computational complexity.

This is all standard computer science. But the point is that complexity is, in principle, not all that complex. The rubric of "complex" stems from the fact that such systems tend to encompass major areas of unpredictability. But, it does not follow that because complex systems have large swaths of unpredictability, the emergence of the wild card of consciousness is a statistically reasonable idea. Probability is of no use when other considerations militate against such a conclusion.

photo for elsewhere in K notes

IMG_20241222_162500116.jpg

at Dece

Dynamic brain connectivity

 Dynamic brain connectivity distinguishes conscious and unconscious states

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Kantian transcendent ego

 give some idea of the transcendental ego of kantian philosophy

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does K exist?

 Does `Consciousness' Exist? : James, William : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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Paul Conant krypto784@gmail.com

Sat, Nov 30, 4:37 PM
to me
James says nothing here about neutral monism tho he did at some point espouse that notion, (see theta blog), thus, like Russell, shifting from pluralism to monism

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Goedel on afterlife

 see aeon article

neg v. pos feedback

 neg vs pos feedback

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U.R. Awsumm

Thu, Dec 26, 4:30 PM (22 hours ago)
to meU.R.

Blowin' Down This Road<br> (I Ain't A-Gonna Be Treated This Way)

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